Ruby, you also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Occam's Razor. "Simplest" doesn't mean the least complicated option nor the option with the fewest steps. Rather, it means the option that requires the fewest assumptions.
Coded Logic
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Coded Logic
No Ruby456, a God of the Gaps fallacy is not a "teleological argument". It's an ad hoc presupposition. Not even remotely the same thing.
One seeks to explain things by a perceived function. The other starts with a conclusion and applies it to an unknown.
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Was the Coup staged?
by Coded Logic infor the sake of argument, i think a case can be made:.
) edrogan has been wanting to expand his constitutional powers - this gives him the perfect opportunity to do so..
) it gives edrogan an excuse to restructure a highly secular military.
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the problem is that military elites have always had a problem with democracy in Turkey.
Except of course in 1960 when Manderes tried to subvert the democratic constitution and the "military elites" stepped in, deposed him, and restored democratic order.
Or do you mean the military "had a problem with democracy" in 1995 the Islamic Welfare Party tried to impose religious laws and the the military stepped in and enforced democratic values?
The military hasn't had a problem with democracy. But several parties that gained power have.
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Was the Coup staged?
by Coded Logic infor the sake of argument, i think a case can be made:.
) edrogan has been wanting to expand his constitutional powers - this gives him the perfect opportunity to do so..
) it gives edrogan an excuse to restructure a highly secular military.
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For the sake of argument, I think a case can be made:
1.) Edrogan has been wanting to expand his constitutional powers - this gives him the perfect opportunity to do so.
2.) It gives Edrogan an excuse to restructure a highly secular military
3.) The Coup didn't even try to capture Edrogan or his senior staff
4.) The Coup failed to take control of the media
5.) The Coup didn't have a message to put out or a leader to rally the support of the country
6.) No high ranking military members knew about the Coup and no one attempted to bring them or any senior staff in on it once the Coup unfolded
7.) The Coup failed to consolidate any ground and had no where near the necessary man power to hold bridges or the airport
8.) There were far more high value targets they should have taken control of over bridges and the airport (police stations, power stations, transportation hubs, military air fields, etc)
9.) The Coup failed to give it's soldiers the necessary tools to deal with protesters (shields, batons, tear gas, loud horns, etc.)
10.) There was not a single aspect of the Coup that showed any plan for a successful takeover. It's almost like it planned to fail . . . weird
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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coded logic i think the god of the gaps idea is only a logical fallacy if an individual believes in intelligent design
No, the God of the Gaps Fallacies says nothing about intelligent design. If proponents of intelligent design could put up evidence for their conclusions than it wouldn't be a God of the Gaps argument.
God of the Gaps is when there is some scientific or philosophical question that doesn't yet have a an answer and people purpose "God" as answer - but not explaintion - to the question.
Saying, "We don't know how life began - therefore God" is an example. But you could use it with any unknown.
You could say, "I don't know how Thomas Lock came up with the foundations of the US constitution - therefore God."
Or, "I don't understand how I won the lottery after buying my very first ticket - therefore God." would also be examples of God the Gaps fallacies.
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Possible Military Coup in Turkey!
by cofty inif this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
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Coded Logic
I don't like the serious religious leaning the Turkish President has imposed nor how he has repeatedly shut down of protesters. That said, I don't think a Coup is in anyway justified. If you want Erdoğan out of power use the democratic system to vote him out. If he over rules the democratic system THEN your justified to force him out. Not before.
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Possible Military Coup in Turkey!
by cofty inif this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
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Coded Logic
I genuinely hope things are resolved very quickly in Turkey. Civil wars are often the most deadly.
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Possible Military Coup in Turkey!
by cofty inif this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
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Coded Logic
If anyone should be sorting Syria and ISIS out it's the rest of the Arab world. The only real chance of restoring the area back to some semblance of order is if Muslim peacekeepers are there.
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Yeah, because that worked out so well in Iraq with the Shiites waging war against the Sunnis and vice versa. I know it's a popular talking point here in the US but "Muslim" peace keepers are a bad idea. What we need are secular peace keepers so that both Sunnis and Shiites can thrive without one group persecuting the other group. If that's a secular peace keeping group which happens to have Muslims in it - cool. But any army put together by purely Middle Eastern countries is going to be exclusively one brand of Islam or another to disastrous effect.
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Possible Military Coup in Turkey!
by cofty inif this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
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Coded Logic
SBF,
I'd be surprised if Russia tried anything in Turkey as it would almost certainly trigger Article 5 of the NATO Collective Defense. Though, things do seem to be rapidly expanding out of control in that part of the globe so maybe Putin is just crazy enough to try it.
Ugh, all bad . . .
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Possible Military Coup in Turkey!
by cofty inif this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
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Coded Logic
Kate,
I think the US should be launching attacks in Syria because Al Assad is a war criminal that has slaughtered unarmed protesters time and time again and has used chemical weapons against his own people.
His bad governance has also given an opening to one of the worst organizations in modern history. ISIS has committed genocide against the Kurds and has slaughtered whole sale Christians, Yazidis, Poly Theists, Shiites, and other Muslims who are not "loyal Muslims".
This alone demands an international response to stop the mass killings of innocent civilians. But ISIS has not been content to stop there. They have taken the war to the rest of the world launching and inspiring attacks in dozens of countries against civilian targets.
I don't think the US should be the world police responding to every crisis. But when it comes to genocidal maniacs seeking to conquer territory and reign death across the globe I think force is the only rational response.
